isildorbiafra · Feb 02, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24

GW Guru used to be a place where you could get a fair estimate of going rates. Nowadays i see countless of posts offering sweet, party and drunk points at outragious prices.

Like stacks of:

3 point alcahol selling for at least 400gp pp
party items selling for at least 200gp pp
1 point stacks of anything selling for at least 50k.

I have all the consumables required to max all 3 titles; and have never payed more than 100gp per point in game.

Why do people pay these prices?

Dont say "its because they can." That i know all to well. My question is:
Why do they choose to?

C E N T Z · Feb 02, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40

if people want a few words under they're character's name and they're desperate enough to spend time and 'money' on it, why not buy them for a higher price so they can get the title faster?

my question is:
why are you here complaining about a pointless topic?

Aussie Boy · Feb 02, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Actually it's not a pointless post it's ALL about the points.

Anyway people will pay whatever they like for them but I have noticed
the price goes up after an event.

meh if you want to max it faster you pay whatever your comfortable with its just the way it is it's up to you take it or leave it.

refer · Feb 02, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

want max titles? rich?

The forth fly · Feb 02, 2009, 01:03 PM // 13:03

people with crap guilds and no friends in game is your answer

HawkofStorms · Feb 02, 2009, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Because the convince of being able to buy, say, 8 stacks at once.

Arduin · Feb 02, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20

And the convenience of not having to spam WTB or scanning the Party Search. I'd rather pay 200g for 8 stacks than paying 100g for 8 stacks all bought in batches of 20-30.

isildorbiafra · Feb 02, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Ok so you bought 13 stacks of 3 point alcohol at 500g pp on GURU. I.e. you payed 1,6x the ingame going rate. Still you need to stand around ingame and consume all those points. Does that make any common sense whatsoever?

Why not stand around in an outpost, trade (whatever; like all that excess stuff on your mules) )and consume alcohol at the same time? What difference does it make if you buy them 10 at a time as oposed to 13 stacks. You still can only consume 1 point per minute. The only difference is you get the same title in the same amount of time at 3/5th the cost; a diff. of 666k!

And dont give me that rezone consuming crap. Thats been broken for a long time now.

Divinus Stella · Feb 02, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Convenience really, i got the 12 stacks of spiked eggnog i needed within a few hours of posting a WTB thread on guru, doing the same thing in town would have taken days and only saved 500k at best.

The same goes for any other money title, its a huge waste of time standing around in in pve towns buying seperately, the time you waste spamming you could be gaining more money than you saved, doing something you enjoy or both in the case of GvG.

You could ask why bother with the title in the first place, if your counting change then gold sink titles are the wrong focus for you.

Yang Whirlwind · Feb 02, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Everything is a matter of cost/benefit. I see some people spamming for hours ingame wanting to buy or sell below the marked values. Personally, I would rather spend a few hours farming and then buy/sell at regular prices. A matter of priority really.

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 02, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

things are worth different prices to different people.

BrettM · Feb 02, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

It is ridiculous to ask more than 100g for a one-point alcohol, since many are available at that price. Just because you see people posting WTS at higher prices doesn't mean they're selling at those prices, though. Since one pointers have a merchant value of 100g, the price is pretty well established.

The three-minute alcohol, which is actually five points, should sell for more than 300g each, though 400g is going overboard. They are harder to obtain, and most can only be obtained at certain times of year, so it's a bit silly to demand that they be sold for the same price per minute as the one pointers. Around 350g each is a fair price for those, IMO. (I recently offered stacks of spiked nog for 85k per stack, which I considered giving a good bargain, just to clear inventory. I've gotten 90-95k per stack of five pointers in the past, which is pretty much a standard price.)

Likewise, sweet and party points are harder to obtain and seasonal. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask more than 100g per point for those. Again, anyone selling those points at 100g is either giving an incredible bargain or ripping themselves off.

glacialphoenix · Feb 02, 2009, 03:22 PM // 15:22

You also realise that the cost of everything has gone up since then? My friend bought her victory tokens from Dragon Festival two years ago at 6k/stack on average.

One year later, you were lucky if you found an 8k/stack.

Phane · Feb 02, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

I have all the consumables required to max all 3 titles; and have never payed more than 100gp per point in game.

Because the time you ve spent spamming and whining abt overprice, I was enjoying playing the game?

I highly doubt you got sweets and party pts at 100g/each

Unknown Duli · Feb 02, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

its a simple matter of laziness (or convenience as stated earlier)...

Unfortunately if people wouldnt buy, the prices would lower dramatically, but since theres always someone trying to get that extra (im better than you) title and willing to pay big to get it quickly there will always be inflated prices.

I personally farmed for my titles then sold off extras (yes made some good money also because people were willing to pay for it)

Arduin · Feb 02, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Ok so you bought 13 stacks of 3 point alcohol at 500g pp on GURU. I.e. you payed 1,6x the ingame going rate. Still you need to stand around ingame and consume all those points. Does that make any common sense whatsoever?

You can drink while doing missions/vanquishing/farming you know. I just can't be arsed to stand in a town for 160 hours to max drunkard.

I'd rather play the game by questing or doing missions, than just standing in town and not improve any title other than drunkard.

lilDeath · Feb 02, 2009, 04:14 PM // 16:14

You don't have to buy it, which is what I think it is all about, i.e. Having the choice to buy it or not.

Some people, of which some have already posted in this thread, do not want to sit around 'idling' and spamming / buying stuff when they do have all the extra money and can buy it all in one shot.
I compare this behavior to the current 'microwave' lifestyle (pop in for 1min on high and voila!) of being able to get something virtually immediately, from food, to money, sex, information, etc.

I, on the other hand, refuse to buy something if it is way overpriced, like 200-300g for a 1 point item. Makes me sick the gluttony of people.... anyway.
I ended up farming all my drunkard, sweet and now party (this Canthan festival) items myself.

That's just how different people is. Some want quick, although sometimes more expensive results, while others don't mind having the patience and working for it a bit more over a longer period.

To each their own.

yarddog · Feb 02, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

why??? you ask.............................greed is your answer

Yang Whirlwind · Feb 02, 2009, 05:20 PM // 17:20

If people ask more than you are willing to pay - don't buy.
If people offer pay less than you are willing to accept - don't sell.

It seems to me a few posting in this thread are trying to argue the prices down on these items and that is a project doomed to fail.

Prices are dictated by supply and demand - not by any individual.
By this I mean: you can set a price, but if other people are unwilling to buy/sell at that price you will end up failing. If only a few are willing to sell/buy at those prices you are going to spend more time trying.

It is up to you to figure out what you need most: gold or time.

In the past day I have seen massive amounts of party points sold in High-end at 200 per point. If people are willing to pay that now, where the supply is plentiful due to the event, they will pay even more later when the supply is low.

Johny bravo · Feb 02, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

When all is said and done it is a matter convenience. I am almost done with the drunkard title and I do most of my drinking while working on other things such as vanquishing, treasure hunting, mapping etc. I don't really like to spam WTB alcohol in trade towns because that tends to be a waste of time and as I have the extra money I tend to just purchase here for a decent price.
Also another reason level 5 alcohols should be a little more is that a level 5 alcohol is only 3 points it does = 5 level 1 alcohols. This allows you the convenience of not to watch ing your minutes as closely as it maxes your drunk level. If you were to use level 1 alcohols you would have to make sure every time you dropped to drunk level 2 you used 3 more otherwise you would end up wasting. Not to mention grog for example which has a built in timer on your screen.

So if you tend to be in trade towns often then go ahead and pick the stuff up cheap, but sometimes its just better to buy it by the stack at a higher price so you don't have to waste anytime.

Feb 02, 2009, 12:24 PM // 12:24	#1
isildorbiafra Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Profession: W/	Why pay such outragious prices on guru for sweet; druk and party points GW Guru used to be a place where you could get a fair estimate of going rates. Nowadays i see countless of posts offering sweet, party and drunk points at outragious prices. Like stacks of: 3 point alcahol selling for at least 400gp pp party items selling for at least 200gp pp 1 point stacks of anything selling for at least 50k. I have all the consumables required to max all 3 titles; and have never payed more than 100gp per point in game. Why do people pay these prices? Dont say "its because they can." That i know all to well. My question is: Why do they choose to?

Feb 02, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33	#8
isildorbiafra Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Profession: W/	Ok so you bought 13 stacks of 3 point alcohol at 500g pp on GURU. I.e. you payed 1,6x the ingame going rate. Still you need to stand around ingame and consume all those points. Does that make any common sense whatsoever? Why not stand around in an outpost, trade (whatever; like all that excess stuff on your mules) )and consume alcohol at the same time? What difference does it make if you buy them 10 at a time as oposed to 13 stacks. You still can only consume 1 point per minute. The only difference is you get the same title in the same amount of time at 3/5th the cost; a diff. of 666k! And dont give me that rezone consuming crap. Thats been broken for a long time now. Last edited by isildorbiafra; Feb 02, 2009 at 01:50 PM // 13:50..

Feb 02, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40	#2
C E N T Z Banned Join Date: Aug 2008	if people want a few words under they're character's name and they're desperate enough to spend time and 'money' on it, why not buy them for a higher price so they can get the title faster? my question is: why are you here complaining about a pointless topic?

Feb 02, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#3
Aussie Boy Alcoholic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Profession: W/	Actually it's not a pointless post it's ALL about the points. Anyway people will pay whatever they like for them but I have noticed the price goes up after an event. meh if you want to max it faster you pay whatever your comfortable with its just the way it is it's up to you take it or leave it.

Feb 02, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#4
refer Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US	want max titles? rich?

Feb 02, 2009, 01:03 PM // 13:03	#5
The forth fly Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: england Profession: Mo/	people with crap guilds and no friends in game is your answer

Feb 02, 2009, 01:06 PM // 13:06	#6
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Because the convince of being able to buy, say, 8 stacks at once.

Feb 02, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#7
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	And the convenience of not having to spam WTB or scanning the Party Search. I'd rather pay 200g for 8 stacks than paying 100g for 8 stacks all bought in batches of 20-30.

Feb 02, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04	#9
Divinus Stella Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wales Guild: Steel Phoenix	Convenience really, i got the 12 stacks of spiked eggnog i needed within a few hours of posting a WTB thread on guru, doing the same thing in town would have taken days and only saved 500k at best. The same goes for any other money title, its a huge waste of time standing around in in pve towns buying seperately, the time you waste spamming you could be gaining more money than you saved, doing something you enjoy or both in the case of GvG. You could ask why bother with the title in the first place, if your counting change then gold sink titles are the wrong focus for you.

Feb 02, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#10
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	Everything is a matter of cost/benefit. I see some people spamming for hours ingame wanting to buy or sell below the marked values. Personally, I would rather spend a few hours farming and then buy/sell at regular prices. A matter of priority really.

Feb 02, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52	#11
Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madness Incarnate Guild: [Duo] Profession: W/P	things are worth different prices to different people.

Feb 02, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20	#12
BrettM Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Fuzzy Physics Institute Profession: E/	It is ridiculous to ask more than 100g for a one-point alcohol, since many are available at that price. Just because you see people posting WTS at higher prices doesn't mean they're selling at those prices, though. Since one pointers have a merchant value of 100g, the price is pretty well established. The three-minute alcohol, which is actually five points, should sell for more than 300g each, though 400g is going overboard. They are harder to obtain, and most can only be obtained at certain times of year, so it's a bit silly to demand that they be sold for the same price per minute as the one pointers. Around 350g each is a fair price for those, IMO. (I recently offered stacks of spiked nog for 85k per stack, which I considered giving a good bargain, just to clear inventory. I've gotten 90-95k per stack of five pointers in the past, which is pretty much a standard price.) Likewise, sweet and party points are harder to obtain and seasonal. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask more than 100g per point for those. Again, anyone selling those points at 100g is either giving an incredible bargain or ripping themselves off.

Feb 02, 2009, 03:22 PM // 15:22	#13
glacialphoenix Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Singapore Guild: Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL] Profession: Mo/	You also realise that the cost of everything has gone up since then? My friend bought her victory tokens from Dragon Festival two years ago at 6k/stack on average. One year later, you were lucky if you found an 8k/stack.

Feb 02, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35	#15
Unknown Duli Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Missouri Guild: Reign Of Judgement Profession: Rt/	its a simple matter of laziness (or convenience as stated earlier)... Unfortunately if people wouldnt buy, the prices would lower dramatically, but since theres always someone trying to get that extra (im better than you) title and willing to pay big to get it quickly there will always be inflated prices. I personally farmed for my titles then sold off extras (yes made some good money also because people were willing to pay for it)

Feb 02, 2009, 04:14 PM // 16:14	#17
lilDeath Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Treehouse #1 Profession: W/	You don't have to buy it, which is what I think it is all about, i.e. Having the choice to buy it or not. Some people, of which some have already posted in this thread, do not want to sit around 'idling' and spamming / buying stuff when they do have all the extra money and can buy it all in one shot. I compare this behavior to the current 'microwave' lifestyle (pop in for 1min on high and voila!) of being able to get something virtually immediately, from food, to money, sex, information, etc. I, on the other hand, refuse to buy something if it is way overpriced, like 200-300g for a 1 point item. Makes me sick the gluttony of people.... anyway. I ended up farming all my drunkard, sweet and now party (this Canthan festival) items myself. That's just how different people is. Some want quick, although sometimes more expensive results, while others don't mind having the patience and working for it a bit more over a longer period. To each their own.

Feb 02, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36	#18
yarddog Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philadelphia-Go Eagles Guild: Raptor Five [Five] Profession: W/	why??? you ask.............................greed is your answer

Feb 02, 2009, 05:20 PM // 17:20	#19
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	If people ask more than you are willing to pay - don't buy. If people offer pay less than you are willing to accept - don't sell. It seems to me a few posting in this thread are trying to argue the prices down on these items and that is a project doomed to fail. Prices are dictated by supply and demand - not by any individual. By this I mean: you can set a price, but if other people are unwilling to buy/sell at that price you will end up failing. If only a few are willing to sell/buy at those prices you are going to spend more time trying. It is up to you to figure out what you need most: gold or time. In the past day I have seen massive amounts of party points sold in High-end at 200 per point. If people are willing to pay that now, where the supply is plentiful due to the event, they will pay even more later when the supply is low.

Feb 02, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36	#20
Johny bravo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: [SoS] Profession: N/	When all is said and done it is a matter convenience. I am almost done with the drunkard title and I do most of my drinking while working on other things such as vanquishing, treasure hunting, mapping etc. I don't really like to spam WTB alcohol in trade towns because that tends to be a waste of time and as I have the extra money I tend to just purchase here for a decent price. Also another reason level 5 alcohols should be a little more is that a level 5 alcohol is only 3 points it does = 5 level 1 alcohols. This allows you the convenience of not to watch ing your minutes as closely as it maxes your drunk level. If you were to use level 1 alcohols you would have to make sure every time you dropped to drunk level 2 you used 3 more otherwise you would end up wasting. Not to mention grog for example which has a built in timer on your screen. So if you tend to be in trade towns often then go ahead and pick the stuff up cheap, but sometimes its just better to buy it by the stack at a higher price so you don't have to waste anytime.